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Welcome to The Vermillion Podcast, a free audio library of business strategies, creative inspiration and industry knowledge for actors, filmmakers, writers and anyone looking to activate their creative potential. I'm Nisha Culver, a writer director who helps artists build the careers that they dream of. I really hope that this podcast inspires you in some way. Thanks for tuning in.
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am so excited for the guests that we have in the studio today.
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Actress and writer
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Cassidy Layton and musician
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as well. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for being here, Cassidy. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited.
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Awesome. Yeah. Me too.
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You have an
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extraordinary canon of work on film and television.
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You may
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recognize her from severance.
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You
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were also on hunters. Yeah. And, Elsbeth.
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And what are some of the other highlights from your your work?
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Oh, those are the really good ones.
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I did a little stint on New Amsterdam.
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my, like, first
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acting thing on TV ever. You know, as a random actors access call, I played ice skating. Donald Trump on, full frontal with Sam B.
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It was like a
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political sketch. And they
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wanted, like, a young female person who could ice skate
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with, like, all the makeup, like a wig
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to do this whole, like,
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nativity scene on ice.
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as Donald Trump. So that was like a wild, intro,
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to TV and film.
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You're an ice skater.
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No,
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that's actually
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the second job that I've gotten by lying about being able to ice skate insanely.
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I'm from Florida, so I
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don't ice skate. I have never ice skated, but it was, you know, right out of drama school,
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and they were looking for this role for somebody who could ice skate. And I was like,
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do whatever, you know. So I said, yes.
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I had some teacher who
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probably horribly misinformed me
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and was like, let them tell, you know, you say that you can do whatever you can.
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Did they cut you?
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No, no, I, I'm in the episode. Yeah. And then
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the other thing was, you know, again right out of drama school like a background role or
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something. And they wanted ice skaters. And once
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again, I was like, I could ice skate.
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I lied once, and it works. I can do it again quickly. Ice skating is hard.
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Yeah. I came out, like, not
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horribly injured from both situations, but definitely with
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some battle wounds. I don't lie about my special skills anymore, but at the time, it worked for me.
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I shot an ice skating movie recently with Ryan Sawyer Spielberg,
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and she
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was an ice skater before she was an actor. So, you know,
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she's like extremely talented, but it's still very hard, very difficult skill.
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Yeah, high stakes skill. That's hilarious. How do you feel about having played perhaps your most iconic role of all, Donald Trump?
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Whoa.
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I feel
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great. I'm not politically charged at all. Oh,
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no. No. Yeah.
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You know, I met some really cool people on that job.
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honestly, that was one of the few
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early roles where it sort of like, peels back
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the veil of how things are made.
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And that is such an exciting process as a young performer.
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And
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totally got me hooked. So in that way, super grateful. But yeah, this is like a hilarious
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asterisk on my acting career. Definitely expanding to people to be able to hear that.
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You can submit on actors access without an
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agent or manager
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at the time.
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Yeah. And get
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picked up and shoot a TV show.
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That was how I got
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my first few roles, actually. Like even hunters was, I was yeah, I was unwrapped, I was unwrapped. Wow.
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They were looking for somebody who was willing to
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shave their head, and I was like, oh,
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yeah, I know I was crazy, I was crazy at the time I was, I
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wanted it so bad.
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Emma Stone shit.
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yeah. It was, you kind of look like her. Thank you so much. I've gotten that a few times, and I'm always just like. Thank you. You know, it's like,
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yeah, it's cool, it's cool.
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You should write her and ask to play her sister in a movie.
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I
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totally agree, but I'm like, in my brain, I'm like, what?
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Like, do I need to write the movie where we're sister, get a friend to get
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me. Get me to write it? Yeah. I would write that movie for you.
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Oh my gosh,
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please, I'll be the lunatic to be on Instagram being like, yes, it's
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going to happen.
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Like, dear Emma Stone, I am your doppelganger.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Now that I've seen it, I can see it.
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And I think we can do the plot is forming in your mind?
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Yeah,
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well, you know, I just,
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did a movie about sisters. Well, you auditioned for it, so. Yeah, obviously. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's on my mind. It's kind of always on my mind because I don't really get along with my sister, but I would like to if she's watching, I would like to very much
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call Misha.
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So
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is. I'm going to call me right now. That's okay.
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Back to you, Cassidy.
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So,
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You've done all this
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amazing film TV work. You just had a one woman show, which I saw.
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I afterwards, I was like, oh,
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should I have invited me to that?
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Because. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's yeah, I,
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the audience loved
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it.
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Yes.
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It's like a totally wacky show. It's, it's been a real like
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journey for myself as an artist.
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And I think it's like something I've wanted to do for a long time to sort of help me,
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like, hone my own voice so that I can bring that, you know, into the characters that I play.
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think the hardest part, often in an acting role is
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things that are most like you.
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So I thought, like, writing this one woman show would sort of like enable me to access that more freely.
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And it's been a really great experience.
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I took the first chunk of it. I got into this, festival in Burlington, Vermont,
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the snap Festival at the
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Flynn Theater.
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And then I just did this, the first version of it, that's the whole thing.
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And then I think I'll probably take it next year to
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Edinburgh and then who knows? But it's been like an amazing artistic experiment for me.
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Yeah. What would you say the piece is about?
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I was just talking about therapist about this today
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because it was very spooky, but it was also very heartfelt
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about family. Thanks. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely about family.
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I think, like.
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Short
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answer. It's about
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that. Your family, your community, like, needs your expression and like, needs you to be who you are.
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And if you can be like a mouthpiece for,
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like a familial dynamic that's actually, like, extremely useful, even though, like the family unit or your community, like, might try and
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silence that or or might be nervous about what?
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That, expression. Yeah. What what does that expression do. It's actually, like very healing.
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like some, some therapist was talking about that as well. Just about how much
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flack the, the truth teller in the family gets. Yeah. And that would be me as well.
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Yeah. Maybe I, you know, we see each other here,
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but,
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yeah.
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Like, my family therapist referred to me as
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the quote, not afraid to be the bad cop. Yes.
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And like, say the thing that no one else is willing to say. Would you kind of relate to
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Totally. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think artists so much are like
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the people who are seeing what's happening and then saying it honestly
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and that, like, affects people in a very visceral way because they're not maybe necessarily used to experiencing the truth of their reality.
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So yeah, I, I hope to play does
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that. And my favorite thing so far about the play is that, like every time I've met with a group of audience members afterwards,
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they start like telling me their family stuff and like all of their insane lives and what they've gone
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through. And it's both,
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like, so cathartic and so hilarious.
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it's nice that we're sort of all in it together, even if, you
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know, a lot of these people are not artists, like in Vermont, it was mostly,
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college students. And then, like a lot of the 65 plus crowd
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and people were like, so excited to just sort of dish about their family drama.
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Yeah. My favorite moment I actually had a unexpected revelation or touch point in the piece.
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You know, I went to to see your work,
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but you had this moment where you spoke about
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your brother and,
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a very candid moment of a time when you were a child, when you wish that he hadn't come back from war. Yeah. And also some of the things that he did to you to perhaps create that feeling.
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And it
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really was very powerful for me to hear that. And I was like, well,
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I needed to freaking hear that right now. Like, literally tonight. I needed to hear that,
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because of what I'm dealing with,
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with my sibling and,
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yeah,
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I guess I just wanted to thank you for that. That's so awesome to hear, man.
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Yeah. Families.
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I feel like the only way that you can, like, fully autonomous is as, like a person. Then an artist
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is if you're able to, like, accept
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that that cage of the family, you know, or
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that like
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the family secrets I've heard like, different books help,
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different like self-help books. Say, like, if you can exit the family secrets,
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then you can.
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Autonomy is.
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And actually like you, economizing helps the whole family unit.
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So
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where does
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autonomy and and neglecting your family begin? Yeah.
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it's a really, really tough. What are you saying?
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Please therapist me right now. Oh, my God, it's such a good question.
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Well, I think like a lot of people decide at some point, like
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I can't see these people anymore.
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Like if they're too harmful or something. Yeah.
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For me so far, the answer has been to like, show up,
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try and be present, try and be my full self
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and try and slowly like start these difficult conversations.
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But honestly, like, I don't know that I can do much more than that.
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I actually was really inspired, by Ryan Haddad, who has given me some
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perspective on this show, and he's an amazing playwright and has had tons of work up the public, etc.
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and he wrote a very candid show
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about essentially, like all of these different gay men in his community.
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Like,
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not accepting him because of his disability.
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And
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some part of that show was about his guilt, like exposing these men.
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And I think that was very inspiring to me because, like, it is a guilt ridden process to sort of like expose your family, even privately in healing, let alone like obviously in front of an audience.
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I've tried to sort of anonymize that the show as much as possible.
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And then.
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Yeah,
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in my own family unit, trying to autonomy is, is just been
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going off doing my therapist and coming back and just trying to like, be present with them and honest with them rather than like punish them or
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blame them because now, you know, I'm an
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adult. So like whatever
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is still in my brain from that experience, like I'm now doing to myself.
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And I guess if you if you do veer off into
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neglect,
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you know, asking for a friend, then it's because there's going to be that unresolved desire to punish or that unresolved guilt or resentment. It's like, that's a you thing
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that you
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you haven't just gotten right with your own feelings about them, I guess.
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Yeah. I have a great, a
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breathwork instructor who talks about who are who is, Jesse Torgerson.
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She's I know a lot of breath workers, so that's amazing. Wait. Okay. We have to dish about this later.
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But she always says
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like, being with your family is a research project,
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get a lot of
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good data about yourself, and,
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Yeah.
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Going home for Christmas. Oh, my gosh, I know it's coming up.
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Going to
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learn that data. Where are you from?
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I'm from Florida.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. Pretty girl.
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Oh, yeah. I'm from a really small town of, like, 2 or 3000 people in South Florida. Technically an island.
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Very, very wild. Definitely. No, like TV, film studios there.
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But some some decent community theater. When did you figure
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out you wanted to be an actor?
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It's so tough. Like, for the longest time up until my senior year, like
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know, my dad is a doctor. I was like, I'm going to be pre-med.
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But I also was sort of always dancing around this, this artist thing. So I did theater my whole life.
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I had, memory thinking about coming here today where
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I
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was on, like, a school field trip to, like, a TV studio in Orlando or something.
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And they had this little exercise where all the kids would get up and, like, improvise in front of the news camera.
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And somebody saw me there and was like, you should be rapt, like, please give this letter to your mom,
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when you get home. And so I gave this letter to my
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mom, and she thought it was a scam and threw it away.
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But I was like, that was my chance.
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So, you know, that's crazy. It
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was crazy. Thanks a lot, mom.
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If if you're watching. Mom, that was was fucked
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up.
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But, no, I mean, so obviously it was always kind of in my mind. I did community theater and then, like, kind of last minute
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veered and,
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went to school for a performing arts,
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where
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I went
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to MDA.
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I did their like, quickest in and out program possible. So it's like a
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year and a half. The old in and out. Yeah, exactly.
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then did you get a rep
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when did you
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start to take off in the industry.
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Would you say
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have I yet.
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Okay. Thank you. I need to hear that just for me.
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Well, right out of ammo. I did a ton of short films, like, just hit the backstage, hit the actors access, etc..
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a bunch of short films, just like student films, mostly. So I could have a reel
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and then started sending that out, just listening and taking notes.
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I did the homework, but like people say to do.
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Yeah,
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think I got that crazy paper book that says, like, which agents are looking, you know, back in the day that they printed like a paper thing. I'm sure now it's online
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and,
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sent out a bunch of emails
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and I got my first, like,
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not so great agent
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that way, but that was fine, you know, helped me get like my first few acting gigs.
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then from there I got a manager,
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and then I'm with my current rep because they,
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ended up seeing me on severance and they called me, which was crazy because I'd always heard, like, if you do the work,
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the right people will find you.
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And I never really believed that,
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until I got this phone call, and I was like, whoa, it's
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it's happening.
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Yeah,
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yeah,
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yeah, that happened to my friend. She was
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just like you maybe
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six months ago. Or, you know, she had like a few less credits, but,
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her not very good manager.
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Actually, no, I
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I think it was her, like, commercial agent that submitted her for this TV show.
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Ended up being number one on the call sheet.
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Wow. And they built the whole cast around her. Oh my gosh, season one. And now
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you name the agency and they're calling. Yeah,
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yeah.
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That's wild. I didn't know that they actually like scoped out that way.
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it's real. Yeah, yeah. So,
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you know, I think as Craig Mazin says, the industry is not big enough that you can be extremely good at what you do and continue to be anonymous.
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I think
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that's totally true. Yeah.
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I have a writing instructor and it always
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drives like
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the young people in his class is crazy.
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But their first question is like, how do I get the show made? How do I get this show wrapped? And he's like, right? At first. And
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they're like, no, no, no. But you know,
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when I do.
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And he's like, no, no, no. Right at first. Yeah. Make it really good. Yeah. And it'll find its way.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So maybe I'll refer to these questions that have come in for you.
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What
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was the project that you have found the most joy in other than obviously, Donald Trump on ice? I mean, what a great
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start.
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For sure. Severance.
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I think I've been generally very lucky. You know, when I first came in to the industry, people said, you're going to work on shows where you get no time to work on anything. You're going to just have to,
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like, rattle off
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terrible lines
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and learn them. On
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the way over to said, yeah, it's going to change, and your guest stars are going to be horrible.
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But that has
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really, luckily not been my experience.
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think both Hunters and Severance set like an insanely high bar
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for
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the folks that I. Yeah, that I've gotten to work with.
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Everyone on severance was so bought in and continues to be so bought into, like, every single
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teeny tiny detail like
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costumes. Sarah Edwards
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incredible down to like, the shoes need to look worn in because she's like a punk rocker.
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And like
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what bass guitars she using. We went back and forth on the song,
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tons of different song choices for like, that moment, like
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ended up talking to Metallica.
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I mean, just like
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every detail taken care of to
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like, an insane level.
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Adam Scott's obviously amazing. Everything everybody says about him is true. He's insanely charming and kind and generous.
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And,
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both Ethan McArdle and Ben Stiller's direction is, like, incredible. They're such actors, directors, which is so nice.
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Give
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you like, a million takes
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I think they're looking for something very specific, but it's nice because you really get to, like, exercise the part
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and that was so inspiring to me that, you know, I was thinking about
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the part.
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Yeah, all the time. I was working really hard on it because they were modeling
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this, like level of excellence. Yeah, that's so
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cool. My friend was dating the show creator for a total nice.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but to that I
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just did. But, you know, to your point of like, right at first and put in the work,
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he
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had
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been developing this show for years.
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Yeah. Before it ever got to television. It was a stage play first. And
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yeah, I feel like you can
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sense that world building. Yeah. Like all the way from the ground up.
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That is so wild. I didn't know it was a stage play, but
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knew that they had been developing it for
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a super long time,
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and they obviously had like a very specific idea.
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I think even reading the first scripts and like it was kind of tough in casting, like the sides, everybody was like, what
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is going on? And they were like, there's these people with chips in their brains and everything's different. But also it's kind of not because they're the same person and
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without like the visual medium. You were
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like, okay, we're just going to like send it and see what happens.
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But obviously, like they had this incredibly deep world
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and then you show up to set and it's like
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completely built out like,
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you know, even my guitar pick had like, words inscribed on it.
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What? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I can't wait to have that much money I know.
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Right. Yeah. And that much time and that much money.
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Oh,
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give it to me. It's going to happen. So are you still in touch with the cast?
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Yes.
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I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. Okay, but, maybe some good things
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happening, maybe
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some good things happening.
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And, yeah, everybody in the cast has been amazing. And
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obviously, like in season one, I'm a smaller part
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and I had like a long conversation,
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with Brett Lauer, who plays Haley just like literally
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via Instagram.
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So like, everybody's been extremely
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generous just being a part of the cast.
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That's so nice.
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nice when people are nice. Yes. Totally. Yeah.
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like I get it.
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tough, especially when you have like a limited amount of time to be able to like help everyone out.
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But
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I mean, it makes all the difference. And everybody I know always tries to like pay it forward.
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You know, you often get like
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little bit of help
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somebody who's like a mile ahead of you and then you try and like be able to offer that to the next person coming down the line. Yeah.
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Like you coming on this podcast. Thank you so much. I
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know opposite
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opposite.
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I know the listeners are going to go
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freaking buckwild over having you here.
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So,
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listeners and viewers,
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because we're on video now.
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So let's talk about your background in music.
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And, you know, that dovetails with the work that you did on severance. But what is your background with music? What instruments do you play? What kind of music do you play? Tell me everything.
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Yes. So as you know from the play, my dad is a Grateful Dead head.
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So I grew up around a dad playing guitar my whole life.
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Which, you know, wild that in severance, we ended up having that, like, scene where we're playing guitar, like, with each other. This is very deep
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family connection.
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So, yeah, I grew up playing guitar. I will say I play it quite badly.
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when I auditioned, I was going to play guitar in the show,
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but they changed it like two months out to bass guitar,
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which is quite different.
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So I sort of like,
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I just had to learn bass. Yeah, I had to learn bass,
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practice like a
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lunatic all day, every day. And the band in the show is a real band. They're they're called doll House.
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And so the bass player of doll House was like, helping me learn the bass
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at all hours of the day and night and via texts and stuff.
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So I will say I also play bass in the show. It's really me playing. I'm sure I've lost most of that now.
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I also grew up playing flute. Yeah,
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much to the chagrin of my friends and family, because, you know, when you're learning flute, it's. Wait,
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Donald Trump played flute? No.
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In
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school band. That
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is so weird.
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Actually,
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I'm going to Google that. Please keep it up. Yeah.
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That's
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wild. Wow. We're more connected than I even thought. I mean, Donny,
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yeah. So I play those three instruments, and then I grew up
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singing my whole life. I did,
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very intense, pseudo competitive children's choir from,
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like. Yeah, fourth grade to, like, senior year of high school.
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Well,
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yeah, that was wild. So. And in a small town, like,
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you don't know anything about TV or, like, the industry. So I just did musicals. That's like a very accessible,
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you know, the gateway drug. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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So I went to school for musical theater. Yeah,
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I was Annie.
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Oh my gosh, my first role. Yeah,
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that's an iconic
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role.
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Thank you very much.
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I was very proud. And yes, Donald Trump stated he played the flute as a child
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after taking
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lessons. So he said he didn't particularly like it and it wasn't for
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him.
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And at age 12,
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he revealed that he was brilliant at music. You have so much in common. Well, I have so much to learn about him.
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So anyways, yeah, so I've sort of always done different types of music.
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I
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have done a few musicals in the city.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like what?
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So
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I was in the national tour of Charlotte's Web, which was really
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cool.
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you Charlotte? I was Fern,
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it was kind of a cool, like, folk,
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music revival.
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We got to work with this awesome folk band and, like, they wrote original music for the whole thing.
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Insanely enough, I was in one of the original productions of All Star, the Smash Mouth musical,
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where every single song is all star in different musical arrangements. So there's like a
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dramatic hey now you're
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an all star. Yeah. And then there's like a, you know, an upbeat.
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Is it a comedy?
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Yes. Okay. Definitely a comedy.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, that kind of stuff. And then I had never had like a
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singer credit, but weirdly, that same guy who ran the children's choir that I grew up doing,
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he, like, moved on and runs this huge choir and part of the symphonic orchestra in Albany.
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And they were doing a concert at Carnegie Hall.
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He was like, would you want to come sing? And I was like, yeah, that sounds awesome.
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And so I got to reunite there.
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And then in like, the most cinematic moment of
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my life,
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like a week before, he was like,
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lead singer is sick. We have to hold auditions
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for the solo. Oh my God. And
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ended up getting to do it, so.
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Wow.
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So that was crazy. That's wild. That's giving Black Swan Boat with a happy ending. Yes,
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yes. I didn't collapse
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sick. It should be on. Wow, that's really cool.
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So what would be your dream role at this point in your life?
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Whoa. That's such a good question.
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So I just shot a pilot,
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that I knew the people, like, involved, which is how I got involved in it. And his whole the writer's whole thing was like, he's. He was trying to write, like, dream roles for people.
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And I also didn't really have an answer for him then because I just, I love, like, diving into whatever is in front of me.
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that role was like a
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female,
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like, heist thief.
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And she has, like, a partner who she's sort of
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domineering and commanding over,
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and has had this, like, really
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crazy childhood. So, like, that was a very exciting role to play.
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I'm working just personally on, like, classical theater roles at all times. So,
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he's in any of.
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Unknown
Yeah. Tennessee Williams work. Arthur Miller,
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any baker like any of those works?
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Unknown
Definitely a dream role. Who's your favorite Tennessee
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Williams character?
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Unknown
Oh.
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Unknown
Well, I'm currently working on Maggie from Cat. Yeah.
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Unknown
mean, my favorite to watch is Blanche. I
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think someday I will absolutely destroy,
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Unknown
Glass Menagerie. Yeah, yeah. Like she's
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incredible.
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Unknown
I could play Laura tomorrow, and. Dude. Yeah. Give me that clomping foot. Get in there. You
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Unknown
know? Yeah. What's your favorite role?
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Unknown
You know, I like
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the kind of screwed up ones.
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Unknown
Just kidding. They're all screwed up.
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Unknown
But I like alma.
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Unknown
Oh, yeah, and Summer and smoky. Underrated.
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Unknown
Yeah. She's such
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a weirdo.
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Unknown
And she's, like, so horny, you know? Yeah, I. Yeah, horny for that guy.
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Unknown
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Unknown
Same with Maggie. So horny. And, I love that. I love that he wrote just like raw, wild, horny women all the time.
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Unknown
Obviously, Blanche, I played Stella
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at one point,
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and, you know, really, I found a lot of sympathy for her. It's easy to hate Stella.
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Unknown
Totally.
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But,
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Unknown
like, again. Horny. Yeah. Yeah, she just like she had her, man. He did his thing. She was like, cool that. Yeah, he beats me with, like, whatever. Yeah.
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Unknown
I'm.
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Unknown
I'm
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randomly reading this Tennessee Williams book right now, and,
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I
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guess Elia Kazan said about Stella. Like,
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she's addicted to malaise because
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it's like
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her sense of safety is like,
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I'm letting this happen sort of thing.
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Unknown
Yeah. And the, you
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know, she walked away from the whole family dying. Yeah.
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Unknown
Which
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Unknown
I'm definitely more of a Blanche in real life.
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We
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are so
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Unknown
we're coming back to my family dynamics once again.
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Unknown
But, yeah, I can really relate to Blanche.
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Unknown
being, like, the one, the only one that's taking care of
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Unknown
dying parents.
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Unknown
Totally. You know, and
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Unknown
what
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a role.
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Unknown
What a role. Yeah.
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Unknown
I will revise my answer now that I've been thinking about it
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Unknown
revise my answer slightly.
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Unknown
I feel like this is sort of a corny answer, but
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Unknown
anytime you get to play female, rage is, like, so rare. So delicious. Yeah.
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Unknown
And I haven't gotten to play like,
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Unknown
a Southerner. And I feel like southern women, per Tennessee Williams, are, like, so ready to let it rip. So, yeah, that would be definitely a dream role,
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Unknown
I
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Unknown
notice.
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Unknown
Is that a wedding ring on your finger? It's a wedding
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Unknown
ring. Oh. It's beautiful. Thank you. Can I look at it? Yes, please.
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Unknown
Yeah. So this makes me think of wedding, an engagement ring, and
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Unknown
it makes me think of a
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husband. Is
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Unknown
it as a husband? Yeah.
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Unknown
And how he must reconcile your career as an actor. Was ever a discussion around that?
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Unknown
You know,
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Unknown
It's kind of awesome. So my husband was like a business guy. Love this.
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Unknown
Love. Kind
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of,
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Unknown
but he,
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Unknown
was living in Texas,
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Unknown
had this very, like, normal business career
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Unknown
and then was like, I'm going to go try and be on Broadway. Whoa. Yeah, move to New
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Unknown
York. So,
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Unknown
yeah, we met doing a show.
00;27;43;57 - 00;27;47;06
Unknown
We were in a cabaret. We were both,
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Unknown
like, assigned to each other. We were going to, like, sing. In this duet, people will say, we're in love from Oklahoma way.
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Unknown
Yeah. No way.
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Unknown
It's ridiculous.
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Unknown
What a meet. Cute. Yeah.
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Unknown
And,
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Unknown
Basically
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Unknown
first of all,
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Unknown
had that annoying thing where, like, he kind of didn't,
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Unknown
really care.
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Unknown
So he, like, was booking a ton
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Unknown
because, you know, you go in with that, he's expanded. Yes. He's expanded. Yeah.
00;28;09;40 - 00;28;17;33
Unknown
But then in Covid, like 2020, 2021, he was like, this isn't really it for me. Like, I don't love it that much. That's even worse. I
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Unknown
like right?
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Unknown
He's like, I just don't love
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Unknown
it. And this success, it
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Unknown
just isn't enough.
00;28;22;44 - 00;28;30;59
Unknown
Which is well, and he's an amazing vocalist, amazing singer. But he saw sort of all the work I was doing on like the acting craft.
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Unknown
And I think he knew
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Unknown
for like the next step of his career that was what he was going to have to do. And he just wasn't really like interested in that. So
00;28;38;37 - 00;28;41;10
Unknown
he told his agents, like, I'm out.
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Unknown
I'm just gonna yeah, I know, can you imagine?
00;28;44;31 - 00;28;47;31
Unknown
So he like, gets it, which is great. He gets sort of the whole actor
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Unknown
thing and he's
00;28;49;09 - 00;28;50;24
Unknown
always sort of said, like,
00;28;50;24 - 00;28;55;40
Unknown
want to support you in this career, in this craft as much as possible, which has been amazing.
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Unknown
It's
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Unknown
beautiful. Did he go back to business?
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Unknown
He is in business?
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Unknown
Yes. He currently,
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Unknown
he's the CEO of a
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Unknown
adult diaper company.
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Unknown
Really? Yeah.
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Unknown
It's technically like a medical supply company, but, Yeah,
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Unknown
he did. They have a government contractor. Sorry. It's okay. That's a that's a big no no, that they don't they don't right now.
00;29;17;06 - 00;29;22;33
Unknown
But yeah. So he he's like an entrepreneur. He like, acquire a small business and then make it profitable.
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Unknown
And
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Unknown
that's his thing. And. Yeah, and he's a
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Unknown
very expensive person and loves the arts. Wow. Awesome. And you live
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Unknown
here in New York?
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Unknown
Yeah, I live in Brooklyn. Cool,
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Unknown
What are you working on next or anything that you want to give a shout out to?
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Unknown
Oh. So exciting.
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Unknown
I mean, now that the show is
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Unknown
closed, right.
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Unknown
The the run of the. Yeah, the show is closed. I'm sure it'll go up somewhere else.
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Unknown
I have a theater company called Divine Riot.
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Unknown
is producing a show called The Big Bad, which is written by Brenda Santiago
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Unknown
Lanford, award winning and Showtime series staff writer. And Santiago,
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Unknown
amazing
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Unknown
human being. And the show, sort of at its core, is about like family reuniting around, like one family member's crisis.
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Unknown
And sort of like video game inspired. This character
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Unknown
creates video games and so sort of plays
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Unknown
through the video game of their family.
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Unknown
Core message being like, we need each other. Like we all need each other in this life, no matter how friction that is.
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Unknown
And you
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Unknown
know, how do you move through despair? So I think that's going to be like a really important
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Unknown
And yeah, we'll be announcing more about that soon. So yeah, I would say follow Divine Riot.
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Unknown
Wow. Divine riot
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Unknown
on social media. And I would love to come see that show. That sounds great.
00;30;45;23 - 00;30;47;21
Unknown
Yeah, definitely. Please. Cool.
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Unknown
Well, I guess if you want to leave
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Unknown
our watchers and listeners with any
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Unknown
words of wisdom, because there's going to be a lot of people looking at your career and being like, that
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Unknown
is what I want.
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Unknown
She is my dream.
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Unknown
Wow.
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Unknown
Do you have any advice on people pursuing their own dream? Obviously not to copy your career. That's weird guys,
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Unknown
but you know, to find their own dream and to have the courage to follow it.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Unknown
Oh, I mean, I
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Unknown
when my brief stalking of you. Like I think you did such a good job of this, but just encouraging folks to like,
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focus on being themselves,
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Unknown
trying to enter a room with the confidence that, like, who you are is holy enough.
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Unknown
You know.
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Unknown
I have this genius friend Esteban Benito, very successful. I mean, they're such
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Unknown
a great name
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Unknown
and he always says like you have to make the industry see who you are because
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Unknown
they're not going to understand you even if you're like the most cookie cutter whatever. Like I fit into XYZ role like when you walk in a room, they're trying to figure out what's going on and you have to be able to like enter that room
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Unknown
and show them a clear signal.
00;31;56;17 - 00;31;57;39
Unknown
Yeah, totally. And that
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Unknown
takes, you know, like a lot of craft work. But also just like a lot of personal development. So
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Unknown
yeah. How did you do that?
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Unknown
How did you get to that personal development. Like what did you use?
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Unknown
Acting class has been huge for me. Like keeping it as a gym.
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Unknown
Three of the people I worked with on severance happen to be from this acting class, so.
00;32;17;31 - 00;32;19;13
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Proof positive.
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Unknown
Wait, what? Acting class?
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Unknown
Carl Beary? I've never heard of that. He's great. He's a Larry Moss guy, like Larry Moss. Technique kind of. He's. He's made it his own.
00;32;28;10 - 00;32;38;04
Unknown
But yeah. So, like, craft work because also like, when you're focused on the character, then like, who you are can shine rather than you being nervous about, like, how you're being perceived, I think,
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Unknown
so that, I mean therapy, breathwork, meditation, journaling and then making your own work too, like, I think understanding what a director is going through, what a producer's going through, helps you enter that process in like a more embodied way, rather than showing up and being
00;32;53;46 - 00;32;56;46
Unknown
like, okay, I'm like the little baby actor,
00;32;57;15 - 00;32;59;36
Unknown
where do you want me? What do you want me to do?
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Unknown
Like, how can I prove it to you for sure? Breathwork I like,
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Unknown
Beth McGuire. I've never heard of her and Elsa
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Unknown
Phifer. I've heard of Elsa Phifer
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Unknown
for great things. Yeah.
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Unknown
I think Beth was at Yale for a long time, but they're both great.
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Unknown
And then to your last point about film making,
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Unknown
I think it's one of the best things,
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Unknown
like you just said, you know,
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Unknown
it really shows you how to look at
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Unknown
a film from not just your own
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Unknown
perspective
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Unknown
and how to really have empathy for every other department, and to understand how the whole mechanism works.
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Unknown
And I think
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Unknown
for people who are wanting to move from that guest star to a more lead role,
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Unknown
it's one of the best things too, because you have to be able to hold the whole production in your consciousness.
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Unknown
Yeah, and to really be a leader on that set to be like a true number one, as my friend calls it.
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Unknown
But, I mean, I
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Unknown
think you're there.
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Unknown
I think not that not that were you we were talking about that. But
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Unknown
I think we're going to see
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Unknown
you
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Unknown
leading a show very soon. Well,
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Unknown
thank you so much. Yeah, let's do it.
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Unknown
Let's do it. Well, thank you for coming in. Cassie was so great to have you and
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please follow Cassie on Instagram. Check out Design Riot and we are very grateful to have you. And we'll see you next week. Bye
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